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Right, I’ve had enough………
Mika Salo has stated that throughout his time with Ferrari they routinely spied on Mclaren. Couple this to the fact that they regularly manufactured the outcome of races. Then the fact that Schumacher was a rampant cheater himself. (something I never understoood as he had the talent to avoid such extremes)
Is it just me, or does it sound like Ferrari are desperate to win back some public support after failing to win the constructors title for the last two years and only managing a reletively lacklustre start to this season.
The whole situation stinks of hypocrisy and corruption.
I still wouldn’t put it past Ferrari to have engineered the whole affair to secure an easy title.
Firefox, ok, maybe lacklustre was a bit strong, but I am annoyed by all of this and they’re not where they expected to be in the championship that’s for sure.
To be fair, I’m not making any defence for Mclaren as I don’t support them as a team, I just think it’s pathetic the way Ferrari think it’s acceptable to break the rules and be totally unsporting for their own advantage yet make such a big fuss over this.
I expect, as a loyal tifosi, that you think Ferrari can do no wrong, which is fine but it still amounts to blatant hypocrisy.
As for Salo changing his story, I would imagine he’d have been threatened with legal action by now and doesn’t have much option but to change his story.
More to the point, this isn’t about counter tar tactics at all. Except from Ferrari’s point of view in my opinion.
Ferrari have rarely played by the rules and seem to me as though they are trying to deflect attention away from themselves with this.
I do agree that it’s all a complete farce and bad for the sport but it’s still a bit much that Ferrari can claim to be whiter than white.
Sure, it’s 2007 and Ferrari have also broken the rules in 2007.
Besides, the point is not to say it’s fine for Mclaren to cheat just because Ferrari have in the past, it’s about asking wheather Ferrari have more to do with this whole affair than people realise. The past was mentioned to highlight the fact that they’re not opposed to underhand tactics and therefore would resort to it again to get what they want.
Again, apologies for the lacklustre thing. They did start very well indeed. That was just a knee jerk reaction to my anger at the whole messy affair.
That’s another thing that bothers me about it.
You say Ferrari cheat but aren’t dumb enough to be caught, so with respect, it sounds like you’re condoning this kind of behaviour as a whole.
The second thing is that it was one person, not Mclaren as a whole who got caught. Mclaren only became implicated after they suspended Caughlan to investigate him themselves.
The third point, if he’s as clever a bloke as he appears/appeared, why in the blue hell did he send his wife to a photocopy shop with such sensitive information?
This, to me anyway, is why I think there is something more sinister going on.
Right, I’ve had enough………
Mika Salo has stated that throughout his time with Ferrari they routinely spied on Mclaren. Couple this to the fact that they regularly manufactured the outcome of races. Then the fact that Schumacher was a rampant cheater himself. (something I never understoood as he had the talent to avoid such extremes)
Is it just me, or does it sound like Ferrari are desperate to win back some public support after failing to win the constructors title for the last two years and only managing a reletively lacklustre start to this season.
The whole situation stinks of hypocrisy and corruption.
I still wouldn’t put it past Ferrari to have engineered the whole affair to secure an easy title.
Firefox, ok, maybe lacklustre was a bit strong, but I am annoyed by all of this and they’re not where they expected to be in the championship that’s for sure.
To be fair, I’m not making any defence for Mclaren as I don’t support them as a team, I just think it’s pathetic the way Ferrari think it’s acceptable to break the rules and be totally unsporting for their own advantage yet make such a big fuss over this.
I expect, as a loyal tifosi, that you think Ferrari can do no wrong, which is fine but it still amounts to blatant hypocrisy.
As for Salo changing his story, I would imagine he’d have been threatened with legal action by now and doesn’t have much option but to change his story.
More to the point, this isn’t about counter tar tactics at all. Except from Ferrari’s point of view in my opinion.
Ferrari have rarely played by the rules and seem to me as though they are trying to deflect attention away from themselves with this.
I do agree that it’s all a complete farce and bad for the sport but it’s still a bit much that Ferrari can claim to be whiter than white.
Sure, it’s 2007 and Ferrari have also broken the rules in 2007.
Besides, the point is not to say it’s fine for Mclaren to cheat just because Ferrari have in the past, it’s about asking wheather Ferrari have more to do with this whole affair than people realise. The past was mentioned to highlight the fact that they’re not opposed to underhand tactics and therefore would resort to it again to get what they want.
Again, apologies for the lacklustre thing. They did start very well indeed. That was just a knee jerk reaction to my anger at the whole messy affair.
That’s another thing that bothers me about it.
You say Ferrari cheat but aren’t dumb enough to be caught, so with respect, it sounds like you’re condoning this kind of behaviour as a whole.
The second thing is that it was one person, not Mclaren as a whole who got caught. Mclaren only became implicated after they suspended Caughlan to investigate him themselves.
The third point, if he’s as clever a bloke as he appears/appeared, why in the blue hell did he send his wife to a photocopy shop with such sensitive information?
This, to me anyway, is why I think there is something more sinister going on.
September 8th 2009
do really think that ANY sport is run fair and just???money is #1 with any sport and people will do anything to get it
September 11th 2009
wow Derek, fired with both barrels i think. much as i have tried to be objective with my comments, it is really getting to me now how Ferrari are trying to paint themselves whiter than white. i totally agree with you, especially now Schumi has gone and Lewis is Bernie’s new favourite.
a script for Dan Brown’s next conspiracy novel don’t you think.
September 14th 2009
Well Derek, you are right, there is some reason to think there is something amiss with what Ferrari is claiming. At the very least, I tend to think they are pushing this issue as far as they can to gain a psychological edge on McLaren–perhaps they hope Alonso and Hamilton will fear the team’s exclusion and thus drive less aggressively? I think they are wrong.
I also agree that Formula One is full of spying. Teams have been doing it forever. Yet when, for example, McLaren showed up some years ago with the Viking Horns on the car no one cried foul when other teams tried the same thing; but they tried it because they saw it on the McLaren. A somewhat different case, but one that involves copying the competition all the same.
I don’t dislike Ferrari myself, but I am a long time McLaren fan to the point I would call them my favorite team in F1. I think both teams are now using all of this for the best possible PR outcome. I think there is almost certainly something underhanded going on from the Ferrari end, and I also think McLaren (or at least some people at McLaren) knew more about the documents Coughlan had (still, what was he thinking sending the documents off to a copy shop!?).
In the end all this is going to do is make the sport look bad to possible new fans. Those among us who’ve been following it for ages are just going to shrug it off for the next scandal to arrive; one always does.
September 15th 2009
Forza Ferrari!
September 16th 2009
Derek Smith, Salo has made a new statement with some changes. Obviously he went a little out of the way!
Lacklustre start? We won 3 out of the first four and if thats lacklustre, then I give in.
The WSMC ruling does make it clear who are the cheaters and McLaren just got out because of a technicality. Now why are you trying the age old counter-tar tactics? As if it would make McLaren any better. The writing’s clear, 2007 McLaren was dishonest. You are just digging up the past to project that Ferrari was “badder” in the past. Wake up buddy, comparing with the past isnt a good argument, think 2007.
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Check my answers if you want, I am the one who keeps saying that there are no angels in F1, cheating and rule bending are part of F1, Ferrari do it smart enough not to be caught.
The point here is not that. McLaren is caught (dumb, pretty damn dumb) and announced guilty of being dishonest. Lots of time viewing F1, Derek Smith and most of them we’ve seen us not being where we want to be, so pretty used to this. And also used to FIA rulings against Ferrari, but this is different. The allegation here is that Ferrari engineered it to win the title. Thats a bit extreme, and effectively a McLaren confession.
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More add on, sorry folks: McLaren claim after this “we are cleaner than clean”, isnt that better than “whiter than white”?
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This is getting longer and longer, these add ons. As a matter of fact, I dont condone rule bending/breakings, always believed in a fair fight. But unfortunately, in real life, where high fundings and financial gains are involved, this happens and there is nothing that we can do about it. But what annoys me is that Ferrari is traditionally acknowledged as the cheaters while McLaren are the good guys. With due respects, Mrs Coughlan’s actions are beyond my comprehension too. But if it was a setup, and thinking nastily as a setup artist, Ferrari would have waited till there is physical evidence on the car. This, they didnt do, the series of actions doesnt really point to setups, Ferrari looks like being victimised.
No apologies required for the “lacklustre” stuff, that doesnt breach Article 151c of the International Sporting Code.